Can you forgive those who would divide Us?

[Essence]

Greetings Ourself,
I am going to have to go get busy with chores of the 3D so I will have to come back to our discussion at a later linear time.....LOL

I will leave our conversation with this for now...

It is not only pain that teaches us to heal, it is also Joy, Laughter, Amazement and Love that bring us to the edge of knowing where we are shown our Free Will to create beauty in our lives.
I paraphrase Kahlil Gibran in his book, "The Prophet" where he shared with us that it is in our sorrow that we find the ability to experience our greatest joy, for without sorrow there would be nothing to compare and contrast our joy to, thus we could not know it. And it is to the same depth of distance of our sorrow that we are able to soar to the heavens in our joy.

Until we continue.....

Love, Light and Blessings,

Namaste

Essence

[Ourself]

Hi Essense;

Thank you for such well thought out and informative responses!

I have not tried the meditation you suggested yet but will when I wake next.

As for sorrow and joy, I don't really believe in opposites. I know you disagree but in my mind, there can be a joy which has no opposite in which the concepts of joy and sorrow are born. I am not saying I am absolutely correct by any means... Just my view from this perspective.

As soon as joy and sorrow are labelled, there is identity. This isn't a bad thing unless you forget that identity is nothing short of a necessary illusion WE made in order explore what We are.

I don't think emotions are an eternal commodity. I believe they were aquired through the cycle of growth. To me, emotions came after consciousness, but before consciousness was the Way of all things and the Way is impartial until self realisation arises, which in turn, leads to self expression. That's where form and the various expressions of form theoretically come into play for me personally.

Namaste

[Essence]

Hi Essense;

Thank you for such well thought out and informative responses!

I have not tried the meditation you suggested yet but will when I wake next.

As for sorrow and joy, I don't really believe in opposites. I know you disagree but in my mind, there can be a joy which has no opposite in which the concepts of joy and sorrow are born. I am not saying I am absolutely correct by any means... Just my view from this perspective.

As soon as joy and sorrow are labelled, there is identity. This isn't a bad thing unless you forget that identity is nothing short of a necessary illusion WE made in order explore what We are.

I don't think emotions are an eternal commodity. I believe they were aquired through the cycle of growth. To me, emotions came after consciousness, but before consciousness was the Way of all things and the Way is impartial until self realisation arises, which in turn, leads to self expression. That's where form and the various expressions of form theoretically come into play for me personally.

Namaste[/quote]
Greetings Ourself,

You know, it's interesting, I don't really disagree... I too have no belief in opposites at the place of Original Source. You know, I guess maybe I have never thought of it your way exactly, but as I read your words I had to agree that there can be a Joy with not opposite. I mean, isn't that what every religious and spiritual belief system teaches..... that Original Source is only "Happy Thoughts"? But.....does that same concept not also mean that within this same Original Source there has to be a Sorrow with no opposite, with no Joy? Does not Original Source encompass All things? Even Opposites? Or do you think the concept of opposites exists only here, or at the very least within certain lower realms of vibration? What are your thoughts on that? I know I am going to contemplate on all of this myself.


Also..... you stated: "As soon as joy and sorrow are labelled, there is identity. This isn't a bad thing unless you forget that identity is nothing short of a necessary illusion WE made in order explore what We are."
I also agree. But..... did we not come here, were we not sent here to do just that? Explore who and what we are. Did not Original Source "expand", or (and I hesitate to use the term, because it is so 3D....lol) "Fragment (in Illusion)" its Self to experience just that? Not only at our level of existence but at countless others?

And Next..... You stated:
"I don't think emotions are an eternal commodity. I believe they were aquired through the cycle of growth. To me, emotions came after consciousness,

I agree that emotions as WE as the manifest third dimensional human beings we are do not exist eternally. I agree, this type of "emotion" is "acquired" by several means we could debate if we so felt the desire....LOL (Non of which truly matters in the long run......LOL)

You stated:
"but before consciousness was the Way of all things and the Way is impartial until self realisation arises, which in turn, leads to self expression. That's where form and the various expressions of form theoretically come into play for me personally."
And I do agree that the consciousness of other levels of existence past a certain point of Awakenment and Enlightenment is impartial to the dramas of Humans, even unto the levels of existence and Illusionary dramas of Galaxies and Universes,
BUT....... I do not equate impartiality with lack of Compassion. And with that we have sort of come full circle.....lol
I guess next we should discuss whether or not the Unconditional Love/Compassion of Divine Source is an Emotion. And remember, I am not speaking of "compassion borne of pity".

I have one other question. This question is based on the assumption that you believe in Beings of other realms and dimensions, be they "Aliens" or "Spiritual Guides" or "Ascended Masters". If you don't, then this is really rather a mute question.
But in case you do.....

Do you believe these "Beings of other realms and dimensions" possess emotions? If so, are their emotions the same as ours? Or are their emotions more closely in line with the impartiality of the Original Consciousness?

Truly I am enjoying this exchange of energy. Thank you.

Love, Light and Blessings,

Namaste

Essence K

[Ourself]

Heyya Essense;

I am really enjoying this too. Thank you so much for taking the time!

But.....does that same concept not also mean that within this same Original Source there has to be a Sorrow with no opposite, with no Joy? Does not Original Source encompass All things? Even Opposites? Or do you think the concept of opposites exists only here, or at the very least within certain lower realms of vibration? What are your thoughts on that? I know I am going to contemplate on all of this myself.

When I start getting into this part, many have a hard time following, lol... If I start sounding non-sensical, just ignore me.

I believe opposites are just concepts. I don't believe there is sorrow without the hope for joy but that the joy of simply being without concepts of joy and sorrow has no opposite. For instance, I believe hate is just a negative manifestation of Love. I don't believe Love has an opposite. Or even magnetics... Negative and positive polarites are opposites within the cycle, but there is no opposite of the cycle itself.

I think the Way is the eternal Vibration. Other vibrations only arise as a part of this Vibration (Like waves within the ocean, the ocean itself is a wave).

Opposites are just a part of Our labelling system. We call that labelling system separation or duality. Before duality, opposite has no meaning. Opposites can only exist through the illusion of separation. If all is One, there can be no "other" and there can be no "no other".

I also agree. But..... did we not come here, were we not sent here to do just that? Explore who and what we are. Did not Original Source "expand", or (and I hesitate to use the term, because it is so 3D....lol) "Fragment (in Illusion)" its Self to experience just that? Not only at our level of existence but at countless others?

Yes, I believe so. That is why I say it is a necessary illusion. It was either that or sit here and do nothing for eternity... No thanks, lol.

I agree that emotions as WE as the manifest third dimensional human beings we are do not exist eternally. I agree, this type of "emotion" is "acquired" by several means we could debate if we so felt the desire....LOL (Non of which truly matters in the long run......LOL)

Not in the slightest. But it's fun to think about sometimes.

BUT....... I do not equate impartiality with lack of Compassion. And with that we have sort of come full circle.....lol
I guess next we should discuss whether or not the Unconditional Love/Compassion of Divine Source is an Emotion. And remember, I am not speaking of "compassion borne of pity".

Gotchya... But Now you have really given me something to ponder. I am not sure Compassion was before consciouness and I believe consciousness was a sudden realisation of "I am". I believe Compassion is a result of self realisation but that there is no eternal "Realised Self". Before "I am" was a process or the exclamation itself is self proclamation and not self realisation. That would make it an Eternal Ego and the ego is only a shade of self.

I think the process of "I am" or self realisation had no notion of self or anything... It was just the Way until the Way became self Aware. There would have been no need to develope Compassion because there was no illusion to overcome. Unless like you put it, Compassion could be used in the same sense as Love.

I don't think the Source had emotions until We aquired them but Love? That's a toughy!

I have one other question. This question is based on the assumption that you believe in Beings of other realms and dimensions, be they "Aliens" or "Spiritual Guides" or "Ascended Masters". If you don't, then this is really rather a mute question.
But in case you do.....

Do you believe these "Beings of other realms and dimensions" possess emotions? If so, are their emotions the same as ours? Or are their emotions more closely in line with the impartiality of the Original Consciousness?

I'm sure some have emotions and some don't. I think any that are advanced and know that all is One and have science of any kind will also have emotions... Even the Vulcans had emotions. They just suppress them with ritual and upbringing. Some would likely be like Humans emotionally but some would be quite different. In a Way which makes it impossible to say until there is contact. You never know... We may be the most advanced in this sub universe (Though I doubt it). As for other realms, I don't really speculate... I believe they are all there and everything, but they are on the other side of the big bang or whatever. I am just getting back into the mystical but I concentrate mostly on what's going on in this area. The bridge will come to me eventually.

Now, I am going to get some breakfast and do the meditation you suggested.

Namaste