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Old 10-01-2008, 04:30 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Yellow Jackets!!!!!!!


Yellow Jackets, the name alone sparks fear in many, but the fact is they are no less my brothers and sisters than you all are and consequently I will do everything in my power to not bring any harm to them.
My daughter just recently had a nest in the ground 10 ft from her back door.
I desperately researched creative alternative ways of getting rid of these little visitors only to find a possible solution and some very useful knowledge a day too late.
She had decided to have them exterminated yesterday. This not only saddened me when I found out but I actually felt an overwhelming sadness when they were in the very process of being killed even though I had no knowledge of it taking place. (We are all so connected!)
My point of this post is to share the knowledge I gained in my quest to find a good solution so that those reading it will be armed with knowledge if faced with this difficult situation where the solution decided upon can adversely affect our precious mother earth (if poisons are used) and our precious mother earth again (if these useful and necessary wasps are killed)

It turns out that we all knew yellow jackets die in the winter but what we didn’t know is the impregnated queen lives and hibernates somewhere safe away from the nest until spring where she starts a whole new cycle.
So the fact is, if she waited a few weeks until it got colder, they would have died naturally and the queen would have been gone and the nest would have decomposed on its own over the winter. The hole could have been covered and the problem solved for next year.

All bees and wasps are different but there always is another way to solve these difficult problems in life that to me are no less spiritual than anything else.
So please take this knowledge and consider it if faced with a similar situation. If I had known these things earlier, our personal outcome would have been different.
Thank you,
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Re: Yellow Jackets!!!!!!!


James,
I thank you, and our Mother Gaia thanks you for your very useful and loving sharing of this information.

Love, Light and Blessings to you,

Namaste

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Old 10-01-2008, 04:59 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Yellow Jackets!!!!!!!


James,
Thank you for sharing that situation with us.
I am a tree huger lol, a naturalist, and know of oneness and how it pertains to all life.
During meditation I learned a valuable lesson.
If ones reason is greater than it's reason,
than it is justified through the law of nature.
In other words;
I was driving down a mountain side in Brasil and with me was a freind.
We had to drive really slow because it was a dirt road. He seen a snake in the bushes and said to me" hold on, stop let me kill that snake". I looked to him and said " leave it be it is in it's own home we must respect it's purpose as must it respect ours".
The moral of the story is that if one is indangered by something we have the right to defend ourselves but keep in mind that it to has the same.
You're reason to rid of the yellow jackets was greater than it's reason to be there, they could of hurt you're child and so forth.
But these same rules in nature can be manipulated and gone about all wrong. We constantly take away the habitate that nature needs to survive and that's why we find it in our back yard. Man does not respect nature and it's purpose, but we the knowing few must for the sake of harmony.
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Hi harmony,
I understand your point but I may not have explained it clearly, my daughter is 28 and has her own home. I took it upon myself to try to find her an alternative solution to this problem.
I agree sometimes we need to protect ourselves and our families but by the simple fact that the wasps did not attack her or her husband, I would say this was not one of them. I personally do everything I can in the early spring to ensure no nests can be built where someone could get hurt in our yard.
Thank you for your reply, but respectively I can't agree that we necessarily need to
kill anything when we feel endangered. I instinctively don't even swat mosquitos on my body and I use cinamon to deter ants from coming in my house. Consquently, I hardly ever get bit and ants hardly ever bother us. Just a thought..works for me!
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respectively I can't agree that we necessarily need to
kill anything when we feel endangered. I instinctively don't even swat mosquitos on my body and I use cinamon to deter ants from coming in my house. Consquently, I hardly ever get bit and ants hardly ever bother us. Just a thought..works for me!
James
I must have mismanaged my wording. It is not necessary to take life from anything that has been given life, that is not the concept of oneness and it is against the law of nature. Rather an understanding that all things abide by the great law. If ones reason is greater than it's reason, it may be justified, for the purpose of both man and animal is to live. Man with a higher consciouness determines his actions through justifiable cause and mediates each sitaution through harmonies insight and spiritual awarness.
Buddha, went through many stages and this was one of them he would take a day only to walk a block being highly aware of what was beneath his feet to not injure a single ant. And as he walked if he did not see that ant is he held resposible for it's death. No. It is the reason that man must walk that the cause is justified. Death of life is not in his heart nor is it shown in his actions it is only nature taking it's course.
If one was to handle a bear cud the mother would defend her purpose for it's reason for defense is greater than ones own.
Respectfully,
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reason for defense is greater than ones own.

Interesting concept and hopefully one that will not present itself to me soon!
I personally see in my life, that having the mind of the Buddha, in regards to not purposely killing or harming anything seems to prevent the need for me to "defend" by harming, from even arising!
I hope it stays that way!
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Yes, I think that Harmony has it right. Whilst everything has a right to life, one has to balance the threat of one against the other. Given the risks of allergy, of pain, of death through enough stings, I tend to be very cautious of these. I have a small child, never stung, with a history of allergies.

Additionally the wasps can cause damage to one's house. So I am sorry to say that I am way less tolerant of these creatures if they visit my turf. They can nest in a tree in my garden, but nest in the eaves and they will be dealt with because of the risk of them chewing through the wood and getting into the house in large numbers.
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Hello IceandFire,
Hopefully, the scenarios you mention that place your daughter or your house in danger
may never happen for the sake of your daughter, your house and for the sake of the wasps and our precious earth.
But keep in mind, the intent of this post was not to decide if it is right to kill wasps or not depending on the circumstances.
It was simply to give knowledge that might help one make a better educated decision based on facts that brings about the best outcome for everyone and everything.
When and if it is ever justified to kill, is for another post at another time.
Thanks for your thoughts!
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I was not wearing anything that is something bees are attracted to (that I know of), I walked outside to feed my cat and one nailed me on the elbow. Of all places right? I did not take any crazy action like some do, but still it didn't tickle either.
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My point of this post is to share the knowledge I gained in my quest to find a good solution so that those reading it will be armed with knowledge if faced with this difficult situation where the solution decided upon can adversely affect our precious mother earth (if poisons are used) and our precious mother earth again (if these useful and necessary wasps are killed)

It turns out that we all knew yellow jackets die in the winter but what we didn’t know is the impregnated queen lives and hibernates somewhere safe away from the nest until spring where she starts a whole new cycle.

All bees and wasps are different but there always is another way to solve these difficult problems in life that to me are no less spiritual than anything else.
So please take this knowledge and consider it if faced with a similar situation. If I had known these things earlier, our personal outcome would have been different.
Thank you,
James
Thanks for sharing this information, James. I always try to use humane methods when dealing with the smallest of God's creatures. When teaching in preschool, in teaching children not to be afraid of bugs, I teach them that even the Bible says that man was to care for the world and all its animals from the largest to the smallest. (Of course, this does have to be done with care. I had a couple children who decided to "pet" a bumblebee.)
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