As I read the beautiful words of glory for God that RonPrice posted, I am reminded of yet another struggle in the core my being and I solicit your help.
You see, If I am not James experiencing creation; and I am consciousness, Christ consciousness,
Spirit, God experiencing creation in the body and form and mind called James,
then I am in every form and I am all there is. The illusion I woke up from was that James was separate from "I AM".
However, in this state of awareness of who I am, meaning I have not experienced awareness in every form and meaning also I don’t fully know the extent of who I am,
Who do I pray to? Who do I offer thanks to? Whose grace is upon me?
The very thoughts mentioned separates me once again from my source!.
Does that make any sense to any of you? Can any of you shed your light on how and if you feel the same way?
James
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Greetings James,
Once again I am only on my first cup of coffee......LOL, so I may not be intreperting your words correctly, so if this is the case please forgive me. By the way your words read, you have recently come to the realization that you are a spark of the Divine experiencing itself here in this 3D plane of existance through the physical body...eye's, ear's, emotions, etc. of an individual human male referred to by the name of 'James'. Is this correct?
And your question is; because of this realization you are in a quandary as to whom you should pray to. Is this correct?
IF we came here; Sparks of the Divine....simply for the experience of it all, isn't it our primary purpose to be Human?
My question to the answers to these questions, IF your answers are "Yes", is.........why do you feel the need to pray to something outside of yourself?
Try existing in the NOW in BEING-NESS.
May not work for you, but I have found it helpful.
Now.......if I misunderstood your words let me know.......as I'm sure you will.......LOL
Love, Light and Blessings,
Namaste
Essence
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Dear Essence,
You have not misunderstood me at all except that this realization came to me a couple of years ago and was life changing to say the least. I had a really cool realization one day where I knew and felt that it wouldn’t matter if my awareness was in a rock or the body I am in now.
I like you answer of existing in the NOW in BEING-NESS and just experiencing life but I have this feeling that until we know the full extent of who we are that we must relate to each other as individuals. Again this is hard to explain because as I said before, I have not fully realized and experienced true oneness so to me there are all these individualized forms of the same consciousness but they are somehow separate from each other and they are at different levels of awareness and some deserve our praise and some can be called on to help us if we need it. This is very hard to explain, I hope it makes some sense.
James
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Dear Essence,
You have not misunderstood me at all except that this realization came to me a couple of years ago and was life changing to say the least.
You are very correct. I don't see how one can experience this and not be changed.
I had a really cool realization one day where I knew and felt that it wouldn’t matter if my awareness was in a rock or the body I am in now. I understand what you are saying here, that even the rocks and animals and stars and mountains and galaxies are the same as us.....we are their egual and they are our equal........we are all simply expressions of the Divine experiencing Itself. Yet, I think somehow it does matter, atleast in this lifetime it matters. For you/we have chosen one of, if not the hardest paths to walk....Being Human. In the Grand Scheme of things we are the adventurous Souls who chose to take on the unknown and with our awakening we propel forth the whole of Creation to the next level of Being.
I like you answer of existing in the NOW in BEING-NESS and just experiencing life but I have this feeling that until we know the full extent of who we are that we must relate to each other as individuals.
You are so right. We came here to be Human.
Again this is hard to explain because as I said before, I have not fully realized and experienced true oneness so to me there are all these individualized forms of the same consciousness but they are somehow separate from each other and they are at different levels of awareness and some deserve our praise and some can be called on to help us if we need it. This is very hard to explain, I hope it makes some sense. It makes perfect sense. Thank You for sharing.
James
Love, Light and Blessings,
Namaste
Essence
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Hello "Everyone"
I suppose as It has been said many times we all experience and understand things in different ways...Its like each birth of a human baby born to their human mom's.....All mom's and babies will experience things according to their individuality, all unique births......Yet all part of the one human family.....
I was never forced to follow or believe any religion growing up, my father came from a strict Irish catholic background, my mother church of England....Both did not follow their religious teachings as adults....Nor did my brother or sister when young...I on the other hand have always felt connected spiritualy...I grew up in Germany and used to go to church and also look at cathedrals by myself at a very young age..I have always felt spiritual connections and part of a "whole"....We get through life in our own way ...I dont think I would be able to to put into words and do justice to the how I am connected spiritually..Thats why my spiritual journey is unique to me...as yours is to you... I pray to God/creator/The whole/I pray to all that surrounds me.............I pray I'm heard........Love, , Peace,and Joy to you all.....kak..
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Hi Kak and thank you for your words. Your reply reminds me of something I think of often.
I often wonder if I was born on a deserted island with no influence from any religion or any books or any opinions, what would I believe? What would my spiritual path be like then?
Makes you think, doesn’t it?.
Thanks,
James
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Hi Kak and thank you for your words. Your reply reminds me of something I think of often.
I often wonder if I was born on a deserted island with no influence from any religion or any books or any opinions, what would I believe? What would my spiritual path be like then?
Makes you think, doesn’t it?.
Thanks,
James
Kathleen Ann,
Thank you for your words of wisdom. I agree with you in your view that we all journey back to Original Source in our own unique way. Truly, I feel there is no other way. That is why each and everyone of us is so important to the whole of Creation. Thank you for sharing once again. Your expression of the Innocence is so sweet. It warms my heart every time I read your words.
And James,
I like your thought on the deserted island with no influence of spirituality. I will most assuredly will have to use that as a meditation. Thank you for your input.
Until next time.
Love, Light and Blessings,
Namaste
Essence
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Hi beloved James, Ron, Kathleen, Essence and all!
The moment we reach the actual state or experience of being one and the same with the supreme source, there won't be the question of "to whom shall I pray?" Because "to be" itself will be everything! That would be the "being of the supreme being" or "existing as God". This can only be described as the state of supreme joy or "ananda" which is the quality of the "brahman".
An analogy from our daily life could be useful to understand this. Food need to be digested to become one with the body as energy. But once, it becomes energy, there is no reason at all to digest it for the body. It reaches every part and becomes one with the body. So are we, parts of the supreme whole!
To extend the concept further, the whole universe is a unified field of the infinitesimal particle that forms the basic constituent of all existing matter. This means that each matter, man or material is a collection of that particle configured in a particular manner. But this is merely a concept until it is experienced by us; the moment we experience this truth, the concept ceases to be and reality prevails. That moment is the moment of supreme realisation wherein all questions disappear. He would be living the supreme truth that is beyond all explanations, interpretations etc. While away or separate from the supreme, what we do is speculate and conceptualise. While one with the divine, it will be far different from reading out from holy scriptures or quoting enlightened masters, but being enlightened itself!
Thanks to the beloved Divine present in each one of us! Thanks to all those messiahs, messengers, masters, prophets, gurus and avatars who have lead the humanity to this wonderful age!
Thank you, sweet and sacred soulmates!
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I have enjoyed reading each and every aspect of your'e conversations. I personally find all of them truthfull.
Prayer is the begining of ones search, it's the cry out for understanding and the positive awarness that we need to maintain purpose in our lives.
The further ones mind roams in the infinite journey of understanding the further our reality becomes an illusion. It is only because true reality becomes present.
There exsists a point in thought were the mind will doubt itself, because it goes beyond it's self and tap's into the soul( the inner light), So many layers of thought have been peeled away in order to reach a certain level understanding. Yet we sometimes find ourselves at what feels like the begining of that journey once more. But that is not true, all is one and that is why we will constantly return to one paritcular thought until that thought itself is realized. It is than that one may move forward ( Almost like reincarnation, not of body but of thought), it recycles it's self..
EX: Without knowing the rules for solving an equation, it will never be solved.
By not abandoning the world of misunderstanding we linger in it's grasp as does an insect upon a spiders web. We fight to release ourselves from it , because in our hearts, minds and souls we can feel and hear the internal conscious seeking to find a truth that does not exsist inside this web.
When one realizes that god is namless, so does one realize that he too is namless.Prayer is a moment of peace and to re-establish a connection with all "that is".
It is the notion of "me" and "I" that seperates "we" and"us".
To be one, is to be selfless as all is of self and therfor all is " I AM"
That which is life, provides the energy of exsistence.
From prayer comes an understanding, from that understanding comes greater thought, form greater thought comes meditation of that thought, from meditation of that thought comes the enlighted thought, and than comes the true essence of enlightment.
Honor life! and by doing so one honors "all that is" .
And "all that is" shall return to "that which is" beyond our every understanding.
Live life gracefully, and mediate your'e actions, so that ones actions do not mediate ones self. Blessed be thought of which is thought of.
Become one with the light in which illuminates the darkest corners of the mind.
My brothers and sisters we most live in prayer.
To live in prayer is when one is in constant state of meditation.
Mediating the world around us with a spiritual awarness and a clear focus of the inner self, relating to what is beyond thy self, not to be tempted or decieved from the path of rightousness.
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