Elizabeth:
"Peyote is a different subject all together. It is a hallucinogenic, more like the effects of LSD and not to be monkeyed around with. Maybe when the Native Americans used it, the only obstacles they had to contend with were the buffalo, and it was done out in the open under the stars, not in a highrise, with an individual who thinks he can fly. Dangerous stuff in and age."
I completely agree that one cannot just mess with a hallusinogenic. But, like the natives, if one took such a source to directly to nature (ie:in a field under the stars), I believe they would experience much better results, which I think is one of the sacred secrets with hallusinogenics in the first place. As well, it seems such emphasis is put on those who decide to jump off buildings for they think they can fly, we ignore the significantly larger amount of people who do not have that experience.
"But couldn't care less or think less of a person if they choose to smoke a joint."
Though pot is more than likely the most harmless of drugs, I am sure from experience and watching others that it has negetive effects. I am certain it leads to memory, coordination, and motivation loss, though in different degrees depending on the person. And, in my personal experience, creativity as well as intellectual loss, though, thats not as commonly reported (and some report to have higher creativity and intellect). At the same time, pot certainly has many many health benifits.
James:
"The mind is not you. On drugs or even not, the mind can fool you into thinking you and it are the same. It is no more you than your body is no more you."
Though the soul may be the eturnal and forever you, the living breathing you is also credable, meanwhile your body and mind are only a temporary state of being, but, it seems only logical to include the body and mind into the equation. Please do further elaborate your view if I in any way misunderstand it. But it seems that if the soul is the only thing that is really you, then the soul is an eturnal part of the only credable truth source, being god. It seems reasonable to presume that we are put in our mind body forms to learn something, and that our soul is brought out through the medium of our minds and bodies. But, if we are here to develop ourselves through mind, then, are we not to question if phychedelics are one of the tools used as well? I can see how it would be reasonable as well to presume that drugs only create a deluted attention span reguardless, but I am curious as to why the belief is held that drugs will always bring a blurred perception rather than a clearer one? Of course, by all means if you have a logical theory alternative to this, or in conflict with it, please do elaborate.
"Enlightenment or growth can not come unless the mind is leased allowing the real deeper truer you to come thru. This is what meditation is all about.
It is hard enough to control the mind moment by moment and it could take a life time, never mind under the infuence. Besides it's bad for your health."
Meditation certainly is a key to enlightenment and truth. But, there have been many users of mind altering substances that have reported a very soul bearing mind opening experience, that had lead to a much deeper spiritual journey. Or, had been able to observe life from a very different angle, as an example, I quote a paragraph from a reacent article by Daniel Pinchbeck;
"Beyond the scientific framework, there is compelling anecdotal data on the benefits of psychedelic use for creative processes, intellectual work and personal development. Recently, British newspapers reported that Francis Crick may have been taking low doses of LSD when he discovered the double helix shape of the DNA molecule (although he refused to allow this to be published before his death). The Nobel Prize winning biochemist Kary Mullis openly discussed the inspiration he gained from psychedelics. Many pioneers of the Internet and the personal computer experimented with psychedelics. And of course, the anthemic music, film, literature and visual culture of the late-1960s remains iconic."
Source:
Reality Sandwich | The Future of Psychedelics
I also have personal experience I could get into, but I think ive said enough for now.
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