I've heard stories about aliens, about astrology, about changing the
rhythm of time, Heaven on Earth, energies, other dimensions,
bad-stuff-happening, galactic-astrological-synchronizations, changes
in calenders, parties, and so many contradicting,
not-really-scientific, not-always-rational data.
I seek to explain the phenomenon, without stubborn rhetoric, without
any vague concepts, and without any energy / aliens / dimensional /
other-unproven-data (or at least considered unproven).
Having said that, I'll try to explain the 2012 phenomenon, or the
phenomenon of 2012 obsession.
1.
My first argument:
Numbers affect people.
People are charmed, for example, by certain numbers, and are afraid,
from other numbers, for a variety of reasons.
I don't claim everyone is charmed and afraid by numbers, but enough
people do, so in the global-scale, number do affect people, not
necessarily in the same manner.
(The number X can charm one person, deter another, and not affect
another two people, in a group of 4, for example).
I find it easy to be charmed by
12.21.2012
or
13.0.0.0.0
of the Mayan calender,
And I am charmed by the fact they are both the same day.
But I would like to focus more on dates and numbers that make people fear.
Some dates frighten some of us:
9.11.2001
or
9.1.1939
Some numbers that might frighten a Christian:
666
13
Or Jews:
6,000,000
2.
My second argument:
The 9 - 11 combination is problematic enough in order to become a date
of destruction.
(Sounds strange, but read it through).
I don't ask here to explain this, just to show this, but I'll try to
give an explanation nonetheless.
One possible explanation, is the common characteristic of 9 and 11.
They are both very close to 10, and this is what is common, and so
their combination emphasizes this.
10 is a very special number for the human psyche, and usually
symbolizes wholeness and completeness and perfection, not for a
mystical, or a numerological, or a really-stupid reason, but because
we have 10 fingers, and they are the base of our counting system, and
10 symbolizes the completeness of the counting, the 10 fingers, and
the 10 digits.
Those of us who look for grades will see a perfection in 10, since it
is the perfect grade.
Those of us who look for completeness in sexuality, and in the merging
of the opposites, will also see in 10 completeness, as 1 is the male
organ, 0 is the female organ, and 10 is their combination in one
complete whole perfect unity.
Those of us with religious upbringing can see 10 in the 10
commandments and other important symbols.
Symbolic connections between 9 and 11, are exactly what moves away
from that wholeness, and emphasizes the distinction from wholeness.
You might think I'm only talking about the WTC 9/11 case, but you'll
understand soon.
I don't think there has to be a cosmic force to make more destructions
on dates with 9 and 11, but somehow this combination affects enough
people for us to have more on such dates.
Maybe the explanation I gave for why this could happen doesn't
convince, but this is not the point, the point is that it is like
that, statistically, as we'll see in some detailed examples.
For simplicity, I'll use both the European style of writing dates -
day.month.year - E - and the North-American style - month.day.year - U.
You might think that finding 9's and 11's in the 20th century is not
so hard, but remember, the 20th century was the most bloody of them
all, which strengthens my theory.
Do you see any combinations between 9 and 11 in the following dates ?
(remember the mind reads digits one by one...)
WTC destruction:
9.11.2001 U
Crystal night, first major violent breakout before the holocaust,
became a memory of a day of destruction:
9.11.1938 E
WW2:
9.1.1939 U
Murder of Kennedy:
22.11.1963 E
Murder of Gandhi:
30.1.1938 E
Murder of Israel's prime minster, Rabin:
4.11.1995 E
Attempted murder of Jordanian King, King Hussein and the start of
Black September:
9.1.1970 U
Gulf War:
1.15.1991 U
15.1.1991 E
And there's more, but I think the list is enough.
Anyone who disagrees, and thinks I'm not convincing enough, is welcome
to present another pair of numbers, whose combination appears in so
many dates that became memories of destruction, and I think it is fair
to request that at least one of the numbers in the pair will be a
2-digit-number.
(Don't tell me 1 and 9, OK ?)
I don't think, and I don't claim, that this is total.
You have many dates with 9 and 11 without any problem, and you also
have destructions in other dates, but this is still a statistical
abnormality.
I'll soon show how the 9-11 combination became a destruction-date in
more than the Western calender to prove my point.
Before that, I'd like to talk a little about the American emergency
phone number
911
We usually think of it as
dial nine-one-one
But originally it was promoted as
dial nine-eleven.
A lot of people complained "they can't find the eleven" so they
changed the way they say it.
So originally the 9-11 combination also appeared in emergency cases.
Police, Fire Department, Medical help, all in one number.
And when do you call ?
When you are more away from the feeling or delusion that everything is
complete and perfect.
So once again, the 9-11 combination is connected in many persons'
minds with "something bad is happening".
You can also see something interesting with Roman numerations.
9 - IX
11 - XI
Again showing that the human mind sees them as "one away from 10",
while X is the most symmetric of all the Roman numerals (both
top-bottom and right-left symmetries, and 90 degrees rotation symmetry
if it's a "perfect" X.), and it's the only letter used (I,V,X,L,C,D,M)
that you can't write in one time without lifting the pen or going over
the same line twice, making it more "special" for the mind, two
symmetrical lines meeting each other in the middle.
Now I'll move to another calender:
The Hebrew Year of Judaism. One of the oldest calenders still in use.
It goes both by the sun and by the moon, making itself more accurate
than the Western calender, or the Muslim one, as far as "making the
year accurate and on time" goes.
Unlike other calenders and traditions, the Jews somehow combined all
their major destruction stories, to one date that symbolizes destruction
The Ninth of AV.
While AV is the 11th month of the Hebrew year.
(The Hebrew calender / calenders have several new-years, but the most
common, and the only one used until today, is the one who starts the
year with a holiday called "The head of the year", in which the digit
of the years increases by one, and is in a month (always a new-moon
day) who is always 2 months after AV, and basically 10 months before
AV, making AV the 11th month, in a 12 months year, eventually making
the 9th of AV, as the 9th of the 11th Month.)
This is a list of destructions that are associated with that date,some
of them are made so by formal Jewish religious law,some are
historically documented, some are of an unknown enough source, and
even if some of it is made up (by others of course, not by me), it
still shows that there's a tendency of the mind to connect
destructions with 9-11-combination-dates:
The fall of the first temple.
(this in the bible appears in 2 places, one as 7th of AV, the other as
10th of AV, but formal Judaism is considering it as 9th of Av, and
this is the official day of fasting and mourning about it, which is
also obligatory, for religious Jews).
The fall of the second temple.
Destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans
Expulsion of Jews from Spain
1492
(A major event in Jewish history, highly documented).
Roman Jews are put in ghettos in Rome.
1555
Expulsion from England and in another year, from France.
First World War
1914
(Calculated by the date Germany declared war on Russia, and it became
a world war, WW1).
The Jews also believe that in the bible, the Hebrews traveled for 40
years in the desert, instead of going straight into their Promised
Land, because they were punished by God for some sin, called "the sin
of the spies", and that punishment is considered to have taken place
on the Ninth of Av, as well as all the others.
So what do we see ?
Nowadays, the 9-11 combination has become a date that symbolizes
destruction in more than one calender.
(There's more symmetry between the 9-11's of the Western and Hebrew
calenders main destruction date - the fall of The Temple,and the fall
of The Towers. Both in a mythological city - Jerusalem is the most
mythological city for the Jewish people, and NYC is deeply connected
to the American Dream, with its Statue of Liberty, welcoming the
immigrants, as well as possessing other American-Dream-Symbols, and
both destructions are on a 9-11 date in the year).
I can't be sure you're convinced why this is happening.
But it does.
Even if some of those destructions, or those dates, are pure
accidents, it causes more fear of those dates eventually.
And again, I'm not saying all destructions are on those dates. I don't
know the dates of the atomic bombing of Japan in the Japanese
calender, but I believe there's enough data to see that something is
going on.
And this finally concludes the second argument.
3.
My third argument:
Starting from 2012, we have much less dates with 9-11 combinations in
the Western calender, (which is the most important and globally used
calender).
In the 20th century, we had the most dates with such a combination.
In the beginning of the 21st, we have a little less.
Ever since 2012, the years don't give us any 11 at all, and we got a 9
in the years only once every 10 years, and in the 2090s which result
in 19 years with a 9 in the year, in all the century, compared to 100
years with a 9, in the 20th century.
So:
I.
If a combination between a 9 and an 11 causes destruction, then we'll
have less destructions.
II.
If such a combination makes people afraid, then we have less reasons
to fear.
III.
If you think such dates don't mean anything at all, then it wouldn't
get any worse, not because of this anyway.
IV.
If enough extreme people go crazy especially on such dates, then they
have less reasons to go crazy.
4.
My fourth argument:
All the spiritual, cultural, pseudo-scientific interest around the
change of 2012, is because of the 9-11 symbolism I showed.
Check out the date given to mark the change:
12.21.2012 U
21.12.2012 E
The year:
2012
Right after 2011, and shortly after 2009, just as they disappear from
the digits of the years.
The Month:
December
The 12th month, right after the 11th month and shortly after
September, just as they disappear from the digits of the months.
The day
21
Not one digit like a 9
Not 1X like an 11
not 20 like 9 + 11
The 21st day of the 12th month of the only year with a 12 in its
digits, in the 21st Century.
So much charm, so much completeness, and wholeness, and symmetry, and
even perfection. you got the 1 and 0 of the 10, next to each other.
you got nothing to remind of the "away from completeness" in this
date. Nothing to remind you of the 9-11 combinations.
no 9
12 and 21
right before 2013
and right before Christmas (never 9 or 11 on Christmas in the
day.month duo)
or 13.0.0.0.0
you got 12, 13, and 21, all can be seen as "going away from 11".
This is truly a nice charming date which symbolizes a drastic change
from a period we had many 9-11 combinations in the Western calender,
to a period with much much less.
One of the things 2012 theorists talk about, is the subject of time,
and the change of time, and the change of the perception of time. They
all fail to understand that what will really happen, is that as far as
dates go, time will affect us differently. This is the expected change
in our "connection with time".
Time will be much less frightening and much less dangerous.
One last thing.
If somehow I gave you a reason to think the coming 2009 and 2011 will
be horrible, this is not necessarily what I think. 1909 and 1911 were
not so nice as years, but certainly not the worst of the 20th century.
(We had more 9-11 combos in any year of the 20th century than is
expected in 2009 and 2011)
And even so, by 2013 it will be behind us.
I'd be more than happy to get interesting remarks, as long as they are
to the point, about my theory.
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Some more calculations for those interested:
I defined a "charming date" as a date made of only 3 digits (or less).
Like:
1.1.2000
1.2.2000
2.2.2000 (two digits)
and many more in 2000
and also
so much many
in
2001-2012
like
X.X.200X
10.10.2010
11.11.2011
12.12.2012
you got here 13 years with a lot of "charming dates", and even 13
years in a row, with a date in each year, with a certain number, that
appears both in the day, in the month, in the year, and in a "charming
date".
Now what happens in 2010-2012 ?
This is very special.
All "charming dates" in these 3 years, are with the same 3 digits: 0,1,2
Actually, we get 120 "charming dates" in these years, all with the
same 3 digits, and with no other "charming date" in the middle which
is made of a different combination of 3 digits.
(If you can't see why this doesn't happen in 2000-2002, or in
2020-2022, think of 3.3.2000 or 4.4.2022.)
All this period of 2000-2012, is with the most charm in numbers
possible since we started counting.
2100-2102 is the only next time in the coming millennium with 120
"charming dates in a row all from the same 3 digits". (you need 3
years in a row, all with the same 3 digits that you are talking about,
and all 3 digits appearing in all 3 years)
And when does the charm "end" this time ?
22.12.2012
This is the last of those 120 "charming dates". Right next to the
famous 21.12.2012 to whom the change of time is usually attributed.
(why 120 dates? think of 1.1.2010, 2.1.2010, 10.1.2010, 11.1.2010,
12.1.2010 and 20th,21st and ,22nd of that month. 8 such "charming
dates" in January alone. now switch the month to 2,10,11 or 12, and we
get 5 such months, which gives us a total of 40 such dates in the
year, and another 40 in each of the following years, resulting in a
total of 120).
After that, not only will time frighten us less, it will also charm us
less, making us over all less affected by time, and more "free" from it.
I also guess, that all this 2012 obsession nowadays, is strongly
connected to the fact that "This is the time that dates have charmed
us more than ever before". And after 2012, these kind of obsessions
will cool down, as Time charms us less and less, or frighten us with a
9-11 combo, less and less.
I always considered 21.12.2012 to be such a beautiful date, but now it
seems to me more as a beautiful period of time.
So many dates, in 3 years, all with same digits of the 21.12.2012.
After filling our minds with obsessions about that date, I guess
something like this might happen to us in 2010:
"so many dates seem like 21.12.2012, what's going on ?"
And in 2013, the process is over.
2013 might appeal to the eye, consisting of 0,1,2,3 but these are 4
digits, not 3, and therefore no more "charming dates" until 2020,
(again, if this is how we define charm), and not a huge amount of them
until 2100-2102, and nothing quite like the charm of 2000-2012, the
biggest charm ever, past and future.
(you get some good charm in 1000-1012, but no "three years period of
the 'same' charm").
(3000-3013 don't give you so much charm, 2 is much more common than 3
in the days and in the months, even though 3 is just a little more in
the days than the 0, and we're gonna have some good charm in
2131-2133, 2311-2313, 3121-3123 and 3211-3213
(days and months with 0 and 3: days: 3,10,13,20,23,30,31, months: 3, 10),
The bottom line:
Nothing like this 2000-2012 charm since ever we can really remember,
and nothing like we can predict in any sense of future, and with
nothing even coming close, until 2100-2102.
For all reasons mentioned, our time is the perfect
"time-dates-obsession-period".
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First, to explain:
We can explain all the phenomenon using Pareidolia:
pareidolia is "clinically defined" as looking for patterns and seeing patterns where none exist, like faces in the rain, and animals in the clouds, and so forth.
we can also define it in terms of numbers, without the "clinical" consideration, considering the option that some meaning might be there after all:
Number-pareidolia, is about looking for such patterns in numbers.
Dates-Number-pareidolia is about such patterns in numbers of dates.
Numerology is about giving numbers a meaning which is not a mathematical meaning.
(compare "4 means love" to "4 is not prime", both can be seen as result of basic number-pareidolia processes)
Now let's look at the 9/11 and 2012 obsessions with these definitions:
Let's think about this like this:
It is Pareidolia.
All over the world people try to find their number connections using pareidolia, some more, some less, some always, some never.
If humans associate destruction with numbers only using pareidolia, after a few thousand years, you can have two options:
1. If some numbers are indeed more connected to destruction for the mind, globally, they will appear in more cases of pareidolia. If those numbers are not connected to a specific language, they will appear in more cases of pareidolia in different cultures with different language and with different calenders.
2. If all numbers are equally subject to pareidolia as far as destruction goes,
people will find it hard to agree on any set of numbers.
Now, what does the process of pareidolia want to accomplish ?
It wants to give a symbolic meaning to a number.
Let's look at a peridoliac person from the outside.
He tells you "4's makes me love things, 4 is all about love for me, all the girls I loved had so much 4's in their names and lives" and so on.
He says: 4 symbolizes love. (and he can add: to me, to you, to everyone, to our people, to men, for now at least, and so on, while the common to all saying, is giving a symbolic meaning to a number, which is not a mathematical meaning).
All over the world, all cases of pareidolia, are trying to do that.
Now, if a 9/11 combo somehow means destruction for enough people.
(This could be very subtle, even if out of 100 cases, only 5 are 9/11 combos, if it's the most common combo in the list, it's the one with the most accumulating affect, over thousands of years)
what will happen with a "natural" process of pareidolia ?
The symbol will be more accepted as a symbol of destruction.
Right now, the 9/11 concept is a symbol of destruction in the language, and in more than one calender.
From all possible pariedolia going on, that's the one that convinced most people to see some symbolic connection, consciously, between a 9/11 combo in the year, and with destruction.
Nobody forces you to fear the combo, or to look for it, or any other pareidolic activity, but it forces you to see what is the accepted meaning of the combo in language, if you wish to understand language like others.
How does this match the nowadays ?
Why is from all dates of destruction only the 9.11 is remembered with the date, and with the combo ? why is there so much pareidolia about it than ever before ? why can't we explain the 2012 obsessions saying that in this period of time, dates are more charming than ever which causes a specific stream of pareidolia, if we can somehow define charm ?
Secondly,
About theories that claim that the ending of the Mayan calender signifies the End of something in Nature:
As far as I know, the Mayan calender, or, more correctly, the different versions of the different Mayan calenders, don't state in the calender the end of the world, they simply end.
If you use a circular counting system, (unlike the christian counting which could go on forever mathematically, but like the Hebrew one), your calender ends sometime.
It's usually a long cycle, always long enough in history for "never ending while the culture using it is still a living culture"
Even if it's not a circular calender, it can use cycles, like any other calender.
In the normal count, the dates' digits are circular, and so are the months', only the years go in a linear way.
If I create a practical Christan calender for the next 1000 years, it will end sometime (in a 1000 years), because I only used a cycle of a 1000 years, which I could use again and again as the same calender, for the next 1000 years, I just didn't see a reason to put more than 3 digits in the year.
When we reach 10000, if we still use this counting, we could go in 2 directions:
Either starting to use 5-digits years, which will change the calender in the practical sense (think of computers all regarding years with 4 digits)
or we will simply ignore the initial 1, and keep writing (and talking) about a 4 digit concept, with all of us in perfect understanding, without a sense of change of calender (as might happen it we start thinking about years as a 5-digit-thing). If we go that road, we actually just start the counting all over again from 0 to 9999, actually making the christian counting a circular one which completed a cycle, and we start using it from the beginning again (without forgetting of course that it's the 2nd cycle)
Maybe the Mayan calender(s) is also something like that.
We can Imagine it if we think of it as an "extended-year-calender".
Most use, for practical reasons, a calender for the year alone.
It's a calender that ends, and you use it again (quite the same version), again and again, whenever it ends.
Maybe this is how the Mayan calender goes, it just doesn't end on the year, but on the far far future, in a way that doesn't really frighten anyone, any more than the fears you might feel when the year's calender is over.
Actually, all the possible psychological fears of "the year is changing, the end of the calender seems like some kind of an end to me", will not happen in a Mayan calender, where the symbolic emphasis of the End, is in the far far future, not in every year.
Maybe this is the price to be paid
The Mayans perhaps fear less when the year is over, because they have a very different understanding of "when time/calender ends", so they don't have to celebrate the changing of each year with Light and Trees and Family-Love and other versions of Christmas, which potentially decrease the global "fear", but on the other hand, when their calender finally ends, all accumulated fears of the End, are all focused at a one ending point.
And maybe some kind of Ritual, is finally needed.
(If Christmas is when Christian celebrate the birth of Christ on their version of the main ritual which is connected to the the year changing / ending in the calender, then what is the analogy now that the Mayan's ending ? do we need a bigger celebration in this bigger End ? Could this explain some more-Christ-Is-Coming beliefs-?
This doesn't have to be because the Mayan calender ends.
As I showed, the Christian counting is the one changing in 2012 in its effect. This is a kind of End in the Christian calender itself. So should we be more anxious for redemption, more believing that now is the time of his coming to the world, or should we all just try to have the most appropriate Christmas-Celebration-Analogy ?
See how much analogy between 3 different calenders and End of the World theories.
The Christian YEAR ends, and its most symbolic celebration is Christmas.
The Birthday of Christ.
Christian versions of End of the World theories, talk about a future in which Time will End, or it's called The End of Time or The End of The World, or judgment day, and so forth, and it will also be the time Christ will come to the world, with the perfect analogy of birthday and coming to the world with the End of the Year and the End of Time.
In the Hebrew Calender,
Ninth of Av, The Hebrew 9/11, is the formal destruction day of the year BUT in the End of Times, It will become a day of Joy, since it's also the day the Messiah will be born
(accepted Jewish faith, not all believe he will be born on that day even if he comes, but all know it's the only date in the year considered as a potential birthday of his, if at all).
This is about 50 days before the Hebrew New Year.
And in Jewish versions of End of the World theories, The messiah will come at one point in near the End, and than there will be some stuff going on like building of Temples and maybe wars, and a religious return, and more, and then we'll have Heaven on Earth or whatever, and even a final judgment day when it is decided once and for all, who goes where.
There is some distance between the coming of the Messiah and the Final End, as in the year they are about 50 days apart.
(This is in complete accord with this version of the End: at the Hebrew year 6000 he will come, and in 7000 it will End.
6/7ths of the time is before the coming, and 1/7th in between the coming and the End, in this, quite common, version.
The average Hebrew Year, has about 354 days (only adding another month every few years).
So 1/7th of 354 is about 50 or 51.
If we take the Year, and "cut" it with this 6/7 - 1/7 scale, we get 50-51 days before the End. you guessed it. Ninth of AV (Like 11.9th being 51 days before 1.1, if both 11 & 12 months are 30 days, or 30 & 29)
Even if it's 2 days before or after Ninth of Av, it's a superb analogy.
After 6/7ths of the Year, and of the 7000-years-calender, It's the Messiah's Birthday or Coming, and after another 1/7th of the Year, or of the 7000-years-calender, you reach the End.
And what is the the Jewish Judgment Day in the Year ? Again you guess it right, New Year. 1.1.
(Yom Kippur is for appeals...
So when the cycle of the Year or of The Calender is over, you reach The End, and Judgment Day, after the messiah was born or came, when it was 6/7ths of the way.
The fact that in Christianity, the End of Time effect is much shorter in expected duration, is not only reflected in the Year, but also because in Christianity the Messiah is God, and in Judaism he's not considered as God.
How does this fit together so far about 9/11's and 2012 ?
As I showed, after 2012, we'll have much less dates of 9/11 combos, so, hopefully, much less destruction, and as a direct result, more days of Joy, as "prophesied" by the Jewish religion, in saying, (about the Hebrew calender...), that one day the 9/11-destructions will be gone or over or happy, or generally: LESS 9/11 destruction.
How does this fit with the Mayan Calender and its related-End-of-Times-Theories ?
Basically it all seems like that the End of the Calender FEARS are actually pretty much an extension of End of the Year Fears.
Many people have some fears before the year ends.
Time is going by, and you are forced to recognize it once again in a way that shows you you're not here forever.
You can party with the family and friends and love but some people will still deal with fears coming out.
Now project that, to a bigger Ending of All Time.
It goes by the same symbols, as far as End and Redemption and even Judgments go.
And the Mayan Calendar, doesn't just end every year, it ends in the far far End.
All collective obsession about 2012, is the same kind of obsession about the end of the year and the end of times in Christianity and in Judaism.
And the mayan Calender is just like one big year anyway, it has an End and it starts over.
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It's besides the subject but I'll gladly try to answer.
This is another number obsession, also with a date element as much as I know.
Its most appearance in religious terms is in Discordianism, and is best described in:
1.
Cosmic Trigger
by
Robert Anton Wilson
2.
The Illumunatus Trilogy
by
Robert Anton Wilson & Robert Shea
Its biggest outburst was around the the 60's-70's, with a strong impact, as with all such obsessions, with the net becoming what it is, and many people, with 23-number-pareidolia found other many common interests.
It's used both as a Joke against other Numbers, or against fears from other numbers, as this is the nature of Discordianism itself, being described both as a Religion disguised as a Joke, and, as a Joke disguised as a Religion.
Most holy attribute of 23 possible is the 23-chromosomes-thing.
And in Discordianism it is 5, being 2+3, and its Law of Fives, or Laws of Fives.
Check out the Discordian "bible" by Malaclypse the Younger:
Principia Discordia - Or how I found Goddess and what I did to her when I found her.
Now suppose I try to think about 23 without strange numerology, and only committing myself to the 10, 9/11, and 2012 effects, I already explained to a satisfactory level, for the sake of discussion:
Not hard to see how Discordians will basically like 2012, since it conforms to the Law of Fives, stating that everything is utlimately connected to 5, like 2+3 or 2+0+1+2.
2012 is much more Discrodian than 10 or 9/11.
23 is not 10 of course, but what could make it a nice number being Not Not 10 in some way ?
The only "NOT TEN"s somehow agreed so far are 9 and 11, especially if they are next to each other.
And 23 is so not 11, if you think about it.
11 is stuck and repeating, 23 is evolving in the natrual way numbers go, one by one (for the mind !!!!).
Nothing to make you think of 11 or 9 when writing it.
In fact, you are as far as possible from 9, without using 1 or 0, or repeating yourself.
The first number that reminds people of 11 besides 11, is 22, I think.
(111 is much more of a reminder, and maybe 77, but I said the first).
But 23, of it all, says "It's NOT 22 if you somehow thought about it".
If 9's and 11's upset you somehow, 23 is the first one who is so much different for you.
Every 1X is more an 11, compared to how 23 is an 11, and if you suffer from great-11-paranoia, you might even have an effect from all 1X numbers to some degree.
20 is not a 1X and you feel a relief, but it's 9+11, and your paranoia cannot cope.
Adding 0 is like adding nothing, the paranoia might say, so 1 is like a 10 somehow, but hey, won't that make 11 like a 20, once I thought of adding a 0 digit as adding a 9 ? oh, more 9 ? no....
21 is of course more "not 11" than "is 11", as showed above in my 21.12.2012 explanations, but the 11-paranoid-mind can see two digits, and the 1 in the end, and say to himself, hey, when I learned how to cope with 21 coming after 20 when I learned the language, I said to myself, we actually do what we did when we made the transition from 10 to 11.
Again 21 forces the 11-paranoid-mind to fear the 21, because his learning memories of 21 contain a basic understanding of 11 in his mind, and his basic-understanding-of-11 is subject to current 11-paranoia....
22 remind 11 to the mind more than other 2X number, I think.
I noticed some 11-number-obsessions pages over the net, and they had some major 22-ingredient.
But 23 ?
Hey, even if I look for multiples of 9, I'm as far as possible from such multiplications, no 18 or 27 around with enough strong presence to remind me of a 9.
I'm very far away from 11, as far as 11-paranoia goes, more far away since I was since ever I counted the 11.
How far am I from 11 ?
12 numbers away !
Even if 11 is the "power" of 11, I'm not at its reach !
It can't touch me.
And what about 9 ? Hey, I'm far away from it as possible, in the digits and in the multiplications.
you can say 1 or 0 are more far away from 9 than 2 or 3, but 1 and 0 might actually remind the 9-paranoid-mind of "close to 9", being quite next it, in the 10, and in many other 9's in the world.
But 23 ? no 9, no 11, and Prime, as in not being really composed of others, mmm, could prime numbers be less "affected" by 9-11-paranoid-minds since the mind generally somehow sees them as less-affected-by-other-numbers ?
Even if all two-digits-numbers upset the 11-paranoid mind, becuase, like 11 basically did, they force him to think of numbers as "more than only 10 of them", no other 11 effect is present, and 23 seems like a nice 11-paranoia-free point, in the 11-100 world.
And do we see a larger picture of obsessions here, looking at a list of such number-patterns of obsessions, if we arrange them by the general time they "peeked" in the net ?
2000 9.11 23 2012 12.21.2012
(If you think the order was actually different, you can tell me)
I think this is enough.
Blue Electric Monkey
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I personally don't give a rusty crap about numbers. Looks like too many numeric passwords. I am more concerned with the day we loose our Magnetic Field on Earth in 2010.
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I personally don't give a rusty crap about numbers. Looks like too many numeric passwords. I am more concerned with the day we loose our Magnetic Field on Earth in 2010.
EarthKat29,
That was the best laugh I have had all day...
Thank you so much. Even though we are different in our love of numbers, (I am a numerologist, I personally DO give a "rusty crap" about them), that was the funniest thing I have heard (read) in days.....I actually laughed out loud......THANK YOU.....
Love, Light and Blessings,
Namaste
Essence
P.S. I checked out the site you said to and it looks like a place to find lots of information.......thanks for sharing.
