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Old 06-09-2008, 11:39 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Re: Sustainable Population


Okay, I read through the responses and I must say that turning vegan could help reduce a lot of pollution and free up a lot of land, but it is not the only choice. Humans have consumed meat for many many years, and if done properly it does not have to tax the land.

One example is certain South American people eat a lot of guinea pig that they raise inside a small room, and they eat only a little grass. The ammount of meat yield from ammount of vegetation and room needed is amazing and conservative compared with cows. (though I think of them more as a pet than edible ... but to each their own)

Another great example (almost all over the world EXCEPT western countries) eating insects. They are plentiful take up few resources and have an amazing ammount of protein and little fat.

So being vegan could help, but so could trying to open non-vegans up to healthier, cheaper, and more enviromentally friendly alternative protein sources.

I am quite sure the earth can sustain an even larger population of humans than what is currently here, but it is often the selfish choices of a minority that causes problems. If people could use sustainable energy and used less land for paper and feeding animals to eat the earth could support more people... but humans are often greedy and don't want to consider changing their consumption habits...

Also upon the subject of organics, there are a few naturally occuring crops that resist pests and disease, but many of these plants have been lost because of the industrialization of producing food. (ie inbreeding of fewer ammount of plants causes many weaknesses in the genes) And most of the food consumed by westerners do not have very nice organic costs because of the ammount of resources needed and vurnerability to pests and disease.

Oh and finally I thought of something else. Often our land is not used effectively or wisely. There is a place in China where the land is VERY fertile, but instead of planting crops in a place where they could grow more easily and use the resources, such as water, that come into the place naturally, a computer company bought up most of this land and is essentially wasting it. The crops had to be put elsewhere most likely needing a lot of irrigation.

We just seem to be kind of foolish when it comes to our resources.... they are not used to their full potential.
Cows, Toilets wasting water, watering lawns, burning coal (which I grew up in northern illinois and I was shocked when I found out the US still burned this stuff!)... it adds up to needing more earths than we have. But eventually people will have no choice but to change these ways, hopefully governments will choose to change before this happens, though.
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Old 06-27-2008, 12:02 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Re: Sustainable Population


According to the KJV Bible, what is now called planet earth; was only a tempory place; The Guarded Den of Eden, where phonic language was given Adam, to name the animals, learn the power of words, so man could communicate with The Power, that created the cosmos. is it not written:

MATTHEW 24:35. Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

It never was designed to become this over populated.
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Old 06-27-2008, 06:15 AM   #23 (permalink)
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You have many points that I agree with and I personally believe in meat as an important source of protein. The thing is I know that beef has proteins that can not be found anywhere else and are vital to muscle building. Although I am not sure if the planet can support the growth of the population we are experiencing. We are getting smarter and using things more wisely, but we are far from perfect yet.
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Old 07-02-2008, 05:18 AM   #24 (permalink)
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I don't believe it's so much what we eat but that we do "all" things in moderation, whether it's eating meat or veggies. Recycling is also important to sustainability. Educating people to a new way or thinking about their environment is a necessity.
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Old 07-02-2008, 05:05 PM   #25 (permalink)
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I hear the vanity of the ME world talking.

KJV Scripture:
And moreover I saw under the sun the place of judgement, that wickedness was there; and the place of righteousness, that iniquity was there. I said in my heart, God shall judge the righteous and the wicked: for there is a time there for every purpose and for every work. I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the son's of men , that god might manifest them, and that thy might see that they themselves are beasts. For that which befalleth the sons of man, befalleth beasts; as the one dieth so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: For All Is Vanity. [ECCLESIASTES 3:16-17-18-19.]
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Old 07-02-2008, 05:46 PM   #26 (permalink)
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Actually, I'm pretty sure Global Oneness is a place where totally original thought is the ultimate objective....maybe even leading to a revelatory experience for someone seeking that illusive final piece in the jigsaw of their quest for enlightenment.
Sorry, but quoting extracts from a story written by the ruling elitist Christian establishment in the fourteenth century just doesn't meet that objective does it?
Ah well, it's a free world I suppose...how about giving us a quote about blasphemy then.
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Old 07-02-2008, 07:13 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Ah well, it's a free world I suppose...how about giving us a quote about blasphemy then.

free world I suppose. That depends upon what you call free; shoe me any place in civilization that is free. Please don't say America, they are not even able to prevent any president from twisting the truth, and starting a war!

Sorry, but quoting extracts from a story written by the ruling elitist Christian establishment in the fourteenth century just doesn't meet that objective does it?

This remark indicates to me; one of two things: 1. You never read it. 2. You read it but do not have a very good comprehension of English. An un-answered question, that even Isac Newton tried to comprehend, and failed, and to this day, it is still not answered.

So the Christian elete, whom you claim wrote it; Diden't even comprehend what they themselves wrote? Now that really doesn't make sense.

Times, Time, and Half a Time.One of the most misunderstood and misinterpreted time periods to be found in scripture is the time, times and half a time which is mentioned in Daniel and ...
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Old 07-02-2008, 07:31 PM   #28 (permalink)
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Now you're even quoting me!...
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Old 07-02-2008, 07:31 PM   #29 (permalink)
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I'm pretty sure Global Oneness is a place where totally original thought is the ultimate objective....maybe even leading to a revelatory experience for someone seeking that illusive final piece in the jigsaw of their quest for enlightenment.

The KJV refurs to the likes of that:

But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which Cause ordained before the world (was) to man's glory. Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it they would not have crucified the "Lord" of glory. But it is written, Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which :God" hath prepared for them that love him. [I CORINTHIANS 2:7-8-9.]
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Old 07-02-2008, 08:06 PM   #30 (permalink)
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Blaspheme: v Theological. The act of Claiming for oneself, the rights, and attributes of the Creator. American Heritage Dictionary. From KJV [JOHN 10:30.]
Rhematic: adj. 1. Of or pertaining to word formation. 2. Derived from or pertaining to a verb(From Latin Verbum, word). [Greek rhematikos, art of reasoning < Phoenition rhema word.]

The rhematic of blaspheme: [< Frence, blase past participle of blaser, to blunt, cloy, sufit, "to cause to be bloated with strong liquor." From Middle Dutch blasen, to cause to swell, INFLATE.from Greek blastos, to sprout, bud + -pheme, from Greek phone, sound, voice, + neme.named,]

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, And the Word was God. [JOHN 1:1.]
The word was god. If it was god, what is it now? Use of words, Language.

Rhematic of Language: The aspect of human behaviour that involves the use of vocal sounds in meaningful patterns and, when they exist, the corrisponding written symbols to form, and express communications. [>French Lang tongue < Latin ling-uage, ling, tongue + uage, to wag, or wage,.]

The wagging of political tongues, has done significant dammage; to Planet Earth!
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