The Meaning of Life

[Breez991]

Originally Posted by jm6@azdeq.gov

I think it a mistake to try to define Truth. I have found Truth to be a pursuit rahter than a destination. Science tells us that the Universe continues to expand to this day. It seems to me that our collective consciousness, the energy and intellect of the Great Mystery, is an ever evolving/expanding consciousness. The pursuit of Truth seems to me to be the path to infinite growth in consciouness and creativity.

I think it a mistake to try to define Truth. I have found Truth to be a pursuit rahter than a destination

That is a very human statement; it is a paradox.

As he spake these words, many believed on him. Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him,
If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. [JOHN 8:30-31-32.]

The Scopes Monkey Trial proved two things: 1. Religious leaders comprehension of scriptures, was so poor; science got it's feet into the courseroom, and to day media, like National Geographic pump out endless bunk, as if science theories are verified Truth. 2. Vet after the 83 years since the Monkey Trial, science has failed to come up with conclusive proof; Darwinism is not a human error.

The total of scientific knowledge, could be nothing more than a very expensive Pipe Dream. It's a sad day when a nation, that brags it is built on religious principles, considers The Creator, Created nothing, and science has proved science is correct.

When in actuality! Science has not proved; it is anything but, a human error.

[ABBA]

The core truth is unchanging. The law of physics does not change, but our understanding of it - and our understanding is limmited and incomplete. the search for truth as fas science is concerned is to get as close to actual law of physics as possible.
In the same way there is one a true spiritual truth, it is for us to decern and to come to that truth.
If a creater created us, then ofcourse there is a reason why did so, that reason may be for jest. As a muslim though we undertsand that the meaning of life is to test us for an eternal reward.

[Venu Nair]

Beloved angels,

The discussion about the absolute truth poses its own challenges. To me, the absolute truth is not a statement of a fact that can be contained in or conveyed through words. To know it, to describe it and to convey it to others, it should be subject to the analytical understanding of man. We are making it too simple when we fancy that it can be understood and conveyed.

To talk about it to others has been the greatest challenge faced by all the great masters and enlightened ones in their times too. When we talk about such truth, we are talking about the truth of the Absolute - God or the Supreme Life - Force that is beyond the comprehension of anyone. All efforts to portray it through words have only failed; I make this statement with utmost humility and ample respect to all the faiths of the world. But, to be true to myself, I feel that this greatest limitation of man and his intellect, both to comprehend it and convey it has been the main reason for the failure of as well as the apparent differences among the faiths.

Then, why did the enlightened ones try to talk about it? Because they couldn't resist the urge to do so. They must have felt an irresistible inner urge to talk about their experience of the absolute truth. To experience, that is, to come face to face with the truth you need not know it. To experience the sun, you need not know the sun. To experience the snow, you need not know the truth of snow. But through the experience you "enjoy" the presence! You get so enamoured by the joy of the experience that you start talking about it to one and all around you! Even the unfortunate ones who are blind are able to experience the sun and snow, as we are aware. That is why we talk of "becoming aware of" as well as "experiencing" rather than "knowing" it.

The above said limitation is one of the main reasons for the opinions expressed to be widely varied. When one comes to understand this fact, one slowly starts to smile internally due to the realisation of the folly of trying to convince others about one's own view or opinion. In addition, one slowly tends to accept the views and opinions of others too with equal reverence and seriousness. Thus the acceptance that an enlightened soul displays is not an artificial facade he puts on but an integral offshoot of the real awakening that happens inside and helps him to see the whole world and life from an entirely different angle or perspective. This new perspective makes him allow all others to have their own perspectives which shall be indisputably valid sacred to each one. If not so, the pretended humility or universal acceptance will surely be the greatest burden for the individual and hence would be highly detrimental too. That is why Bhagavan asks us not to act like an enlightened one, if you are not one.

To add to it all, I strongly feel that the connection that we establish with the absolute is not with the help of or through the brain lobes that act on the bases of logical analysis and understanding, but through the lobes that act on the bases of spontaneity, creativity, intuition, imagination etc. May beloved God bless one and all with real awareness and awakening of the self through which truth sinks into each golden heart and quenches the thirst to "know" it in the literal sense.

Lots and lots of love to all!

Venu

[ABBA]

Dear brother thank you for your thoughts.
Mine a slightly differrent though i whole agree with you that we can not contemplet the supreme being. A scholar once explained that it is like trying to pour the ocean into a hole in the sand, the human mind is just not capable of comprehending.

But we do not need to comprehend the supreme being to know the truth. ours is not to understand the totality of reality, i.e. physics, matter, anti-matter, chemicals, inter-dimensional space, - we just need to know that if we throw something it is going to land somewhere, and that when we are thirsty we need water/liquid- these are the truths no one can deny, in the same wat there is one truth that a supreme being created us - and it was not for jest like a soap-opera.

we use our lobes - all them to figure out that god exists. But that is not enough - If we know that god exists, we have to show appreciation for this and proove that we acknowledge him.

i.e. if you know that there is a lion in the building - your behaviour will be different. if you know that some attractive person is going to call you then may be you will dress better- this is what you do when you are certain of something. So if you know that god created everything and he is real are not going to change your actions. If you know that god created all men, will then opress one and kill another, etc.

Originally Posted by Venu Nair

Beloved angels,

The discussion about the absolute truth poses its own challenges. To me, the absolute truth is not a statement of a fact that can be contained in or conveyed through words. To know it, to describe it and to convey it to others, it should be subject to the analytical understanding of man. We are making it too simple when we fancy that it can be understood and conveyed.

To talk about it to others has been the greatest challenge faced by all the great masters and enlightened ones in their times too. When we talk about such truth, we are talking about the truth of the Absolute - God or the Supreme Life - Force that is beyond the comprehension of anyone. All efforts to portray it through words have only failed; I make this statement with utmost humility and ample respect to all the faiths of the world. But, to be true to myself, I feel that this greatest limitation of man and his intellect, both to comprehend it and convey it has been the main reason for the failure of as well as the apparent differences among the faiths.

Then, why did the enlightened ones try to talk about it? Because they couldn't resist the urge to do so. They must have felt an irresistible inner urge to talk about their experience of the absolute truth. To experience, that is, to come face to face with the truth you need not know it. To experience the sun, you need not know the sun. To experience the snow, you need not know the truth of snow. But through the experience you "enjoy" the presence! You get so enamoured by the joy of the experience that you start talking about it to one and all around you! Even the unfortunate ones who are blind are able to experience the sun and snow, as we are aware. That is why we talk of "becoming aware of" as well as "experiencing" rather than "knowing" it.

The above said limitation is one of the main reasons for the opinions expressed to be widely varied. When one comes to understand this fact, one slowly starts to smile internally due to the realisation of the folly of trying to convince others about one's own view or opinion. In addition, one slowly tends to accept the views and opinions of others too with equal reverence and seriousness. Thus the acceptance that an enlightened soul displays is not an artificial facade he puts on but an integral offshoot of the real awakening that happens inside and helps him to see the whole world and life from an entirely different angle or perspective. This new perspective makes him allow all others to have their own perspectives which shall be indisputably valid sacred to each one. If not so, the pretended humility or universal acceptance will surely be the greatest burden for the individual and hence would be highly detrimental too. That is why Bhagavan asks us not to act like an enlightened one, if you are not one.

To add to it all, I strongly feel that the connection that we establish with the absolute is not with the help of or through the brain lobes that act on the bases of logical analysis and understanding, but through the lobes that act on the bases of spontaneity, creativity, intuition, imagination etc. May beloved God bless one and all with real awareness and awakening of the self through which truth sinks into each golden heart and quenches the thirst to "know" it in the literal sense.

Lots and lots of love to all!

Venu

[Venu Nair]

Beloved angel ABBA,

I appreciate your view with whole heart, dear one, though I hold a bit different view. May beloved God bless you to awaken to your truth at the earliest and to celebrate your divine life! May God let everyone awaken to his/her truth, howsoever different it all may be from one another!

Lots and lots of love to you, sweet angel!

Venu

[lilbear1111]

I'm not sure what the meaning of life is; however I believe every being on Earth has a purpose throughout their life time. It is up to them to find out what their purpose is, and that would be their meaning of life. Every being is where they are for a reason, it is up to them where they go with it. I just want to wish all the best of luck finding their meaning of life. To really get a hold of the right path in life listen to your dreams at night and really grab the meanings of them.

[Alpha and Omega]

The meaning of life is "life" As a seed does not come to life until after it is put into the earth, so too, with mankind, before we come to receive true life we must first show that we deserve it through the life that we live now. Life is about giving and not receiving, it is about self sacrifice and the giving to others. From the day we are born we begin to die. When we die our soul leaves its mortal shell to return to where we came from, what happens to our soul depends on how we lived in this life.

Man did not come from the apes, man was created. God created Man and woman to love and be loved, both in their own way. The love of a woman is one image of God's love and the love of a man is another image of Gods love. Man and woman complete, fulfills Gods love in a way that either can not do on their own. The special love that God gave to woman is that of motherhood and to the man as a father. The only book that can answer all of life's questions is the "Holy Bible" The Catholic version only as it contains the 73 books correctly interpreted. I say this as someone who studied scriptures as a devout anti-Catholic. The Bible could not have been made up nonsense as I once believed as it proves itself to be true through the genealogy and the prophecies that all came true.

While evolution does play a major role in understanding how life evolved, it only shows how life evolved after the "fall" of Adam and Eve our first parents. prior to the fall, everything was created by God, after the fall the influences of "Satan" corrupted mankind and resulted in the mutation of genes in all life forms which resulted in all the distortion we see in the world today. From beginning to end the Bible does actually show the plan of God and how he dealt with ungodliness and immorality down through the ages it shows an accurate account of the genealogy from beginning to end.

The Chinese actually have the first 11 chapters of genesis that were written in the old Chinese picture language that can be traced back to Japhet the third son of Noah. this is proof that the Bible can be trace back to the Tower of Babel. The scriptures are the key to life hence the reason the letters Bible mean Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth. these are the instructions that we were given for our life on this earth prior to returning back to God, Our heavenly father to be judged in accordance with our works in this life.

I hope this answers many questions that members have. to know more, you can contact me on believeinhim@ymail.com

[spiritalk]

While it is nice to post from authoritative positions, the facts speak for themselves. Even Christian scholars are in disagreement with what has been touted as truth by some. It is a volume to be interpreted and in interpretation many answers will vary.

God never creates mistakes. Therefore all are welcome and loved additions to life. A book such as the bible dismisses this thought in judgements (human to be sure).

A better text for proof of existence may come out of science, anthropology, or archaeology rather than religious fervour of a book.

[Alpha and Omega]

That is exactly what I used to think too. I can understand why you think that way. I studied it to prove it was as you say and found that it says the opposite, it actually does make sense, of course all Christian churches will disagree on the meaning of the scriptures which proves how difficult it is to understand. The true understanding can only be gained from ardent studying of the scriptures.

The dead sea scrolls was the greatest document that was ever discovered as it proved the contents of the Christian Bible to be in accordance with earliest beliefs. the scrolls contained every book in Heberew with exception of the book of Esther. The Bible is a way of life and yes, of course it preaches of judgments and punishment, if their were none how could we prove ourselves worthy of attaining everlasting life.

To get back into God's kingdom we must prove ourselves worthy of that position. This is what life is all about, earning our way back in. Members of the anti catholic Churches can also be saved, it is true to say that you do not have to be a member of the Catholic Church in order to be saved, however, the reward for being a member of the One true Church will be greater. Regardless of the failings of the Catholic Church, failings that other Churches are also guilty of, the Catholic Church has only one head which is the pope, and this is what Jesus prayed for on the night before the crucifixion. All other Churches are not united and are all divided in their way of thinking. no two protestant churches will agree, no two Baptist Church will agree with each other and the rest are all the same.

Think of it this way. If you owned a company and you were employing people to work for you, would you not expect them to follow your rules and regulations, would you not train them in prior to putting them in a certain position of authority, such as finding a suitable applicant as a trainee manager and if one or more of your workers went against your rules to the detriment of your company, would you not punish them by getting rid of them ? God is like that too, however, he always gives his workers a second chance to redeem themselves in a place called purgatory.

Now, let us say their were people who were out to destroy your company and all that you had built up, criminals etc, who were destroying your good work, would you not want them gotten rid of permanently, We have prisons for criminals, so too does God, this is called Hell? The New testament preaches love and all who accept it are welcome in Gods kingdom, but we must turn to God to receive it

As for being man made, The Bible is too accurate to have been man made, I have studied it for four years in order to prove it was and could not, no matter how hard I tried. The one thing I did find was that all the catholic beliefs stem from the bible unless they state otherwise.

It is the most amazing book I have ever read. It is true to say that the Bible is so simple that it can be summed up in a few verses yet it is a book of such depth that one could study it for a life time and never comprehend its true meaning. When one studies the bible with a willingness to understand it, your understanding will become more enlightened and your will moved to studying it more.

[Hadessa]

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